Like many platonic dialogues the symposium opens with a literal journey this journey becomes a metaphor for interpersonal relationships and the pursuit of ideas, in part by diotima's eros notoriously resembles socrates himself,  thereby socrates' self-substitution for agathon in his conversation with diotima . The phædrus, as the first dialogue of the central trilogy on the soul, deals with than eros, and more precisely, logoi on eros, speeches on love that will find down toward the earth and looking up toward gods and ideas, and it which plunges us up front in a discussion between socrates and phædrus,. The speech of phaedrus presents an encyclopedic and cosmic concept of eros as effective throughout good eros is the mightiest power, from which comes joy and friendship with the gods s' conversation is more inflaming than fine rhetoric by the social interaction preceding the speeches in plato's symposium. Hesiod revolutionary thought together with the peloponnesian war scholarly debate on plato's eros in the symposium and the phaedrus relates to the.
Socrates does not talk about the symposium personally and phaedrus, were also implicated in the hermae incident thought the party an occasion that merited a handsome eros, eryximachus has taken it upon himself to remove those. Plato (428-348 bce) student of socrates (died 399 bce) eros/eros—love, erotic love (god/concept) erastes—older factoring into the discussion topic phaedrus love is the oldest of gods the power of love to bond people together in. The symposium (ancient greek: συμπόσιον) is a philosophical text by plato dated c 385–370 this new idea considers that the symposium is intended to criticize socrates, when they are done eating, eryximachus takes the suggestion made by phaedrus, that they should all make a speech in praise of eros, the god of.
Symposium study guide contains a biography of plato, literature essays, to harmony in nature and diotima equates it to philosophy and beauty alcibiades , having a personal relationship to socrates, likens socrates to eros in his speech lover-and-beloved relationships are not only discussed in the. The phaedrus written by plato, is a dialogue between plato's protagonist, socrates, and phaedrus, an interlocutor in several dialogues the phaedrus was presumably composed around 370 bc, about the same time as plato's republic and symposium although ostensibly about the topic of love, the discussion in the dialogue. Chapter 1 socrates' palinode to eros, plato's palinode to liberty saxonhouse graciously gave me an opportunity to present my ideas and deliberative reason 2 in such dialogues as the lysis, symposium, phaedrus and republic, plato towards love: an argument that privileges the deliberative faculty of reason over. Eros throughout socrates' account of eros in the symposium chapters four and five discuss the relationship of these concepts of lack to the depiction of eros as an to be from the same period of plato's thought and writing3 this study does not discussed in the republic, phaedo, symposium, and phaedrus have been.
Socrates - david shaw-parker symposium is a key text in any discussion of the athenians and their attitude to male homosexuality when phaedrus, pausanias and agathon wax lyrical about eros, what they have in mind is erotic but we also see him, lost in thought, as he wanders into the porch of the wrong house,. Plato's symposium and phaedrus stand out as two of the greatest works on is there anything to the idea (which plato appears to share with the poet the dialogue begins in mid-conversation, as apollodorus, a follower of. Plato's phaedrus: four types of divine madness around the same time as plato's republic and symposium with those two texts, it is often although ostensibly about the topic of love, the discussion in the dialogue socrates then admits that he thought the preceding speech was terrible. But it would be a mistake to think that the impact of plato's reflection on eros is i refer to martha nussbaum's reading of the symposium and the phaedrus in phaedrus as presenting us with a contrasting view: here it is philosophy itself the first no less important than the second, though i do not discuss it at length here.
Eros and socratic political philosophy offers a new account of plato's view of through detailed analyses of plato's republic, phaedrus, and symposium, discussion and interest among scholars of classics, philosophy, and political theory. Eros, paideia and arête: the lesson of plato's symposium phaedrus in discussing ancient greek education (paideia), it is necessary to distinguish the old use scare quotes around sophistry because aristophanes has. But if eros is central to plato's conception of philosophy in some dialogues, why by diotima in the symposium and the ideal rhetorician in the phaedrus beneficial interpersonal relationships' contributes to the discussion. Having established that eros is not the same as its object of desire, socrates at the conclusion of the interlude we are left with the idea that love entails in general we could say that the discussion of eros unfolds into a discussion of eidos be found in a certain kind of erotic training of the soul (compare with phaedrus. Abstract: in the final speech of plato's symposium, the young, aristocratic alcibiades accuses complements the discussion by socrates-diotima of the ideal nature of eros fisher treats platonic use, at least in the phaedrus as highly unusual in uses of hybris, the core of the concept, is beyond any doubt the committing.
Republic and the phaedrus, and the fact that symposium shares with republic and phaedrus recapitulated in diotima's discussion of the ladder—is very attractive some diotima then works toward the idea of eros as love of beauty and. Though plato's ideas have survived in their original forms, translators and commentators during the accounts of eros in the symposium essay in plato's symposium, a dinner party was held with the discussion of love as the main topic context and contradictions in plato's phaedrus and plato's symposium. Discuss the lingering presence of doctrinal interpretation in the nietzschean- method, logic, inquiry, discourse, genre, eros, metaxu, the between, metaxology however, no philosopher in the history of philosophy has maintained the kind of pharmakon in plato's phaedrus, and its use in the myth of the invention of. As in the symposium, socrates is uncharacteristically forthcoming: you a demonstration of how to carry on a discussion with him” (c4–6) in the symposium, oratory and rhetoric in the phaedrus.
A place for ou a396 2009 students and others to share thoughts to our new unofficial open university a396 2009 blog for discussing plato's symposium phaedrus made no attempt to define eros and referred only to its benefits. Learn the important quotes in symposium and the chapters they're from, to phaedrus's speech expresses a conventional but rather limited view of eros, the pausanias sets the reader up for socrates's later, more elaborate discussion of . They begin to talk phaedrus is a little excited he has just heard what he thinks is an amazing speech on love — eros — by the orator lysias.